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ermns · Feb 01, 2007, 05:20 PM // 17:20

Well I thought it could be over but let me just make a few ending remarks.
As far as difficulty is concerned.

Since exploring is soooooo much more than that, and it is difficult, why are you so against the percentiles? As you said the percentiles will not make it any easier fighting the mobs.

btw.. I have beacon's perch and that area. But the truth is that I have explored it with level 20 heroes. Full of Sup Runes. MM and 2 SF Nukers. Well to tell you the truth it was NOT difficult. Just time consuming.

The truth is that I do respect what you GMC's have done. Maybe you've explored the areas with henchies from Tyria. That I know would be difficult. But I've started playing two months ago. Few days before NF came out. I have finished all 3 campaigns and I am protector in 2 of them. I also have skill hunter, treasure hunter and wisdom on level 1. I am also MC in Elona, and Trailblazer in the other two. That's not bad if you consider that I have finished Cantha with a 2nd character and Elona with a 3rd one in these 2 months. I am not afraid of difficult.

IT IS JUST MY opinion from my personal experience. And as I told you guys, I speculate that this is not Anet's intention.

As far as your comment Emik , I believe that your problem is reading comprehension. Please read the thread and don't isolate one sentence. FIRST understand what I am saying and THEN try to make "smart" comments.

Guys, let's end this and let Anet decide what they will do. I believe that they have the input and arguments that they need.

mikkel · Feb 01, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Not signed.

I doubt that this is even feasible, considering that you can map bits of areas adjacent to the one you're in, meaning that there's probably no seperate fog area but rather a big carpet that you just need a certain percentage of to get the 100% title.

On top of this, having read through the thread, people who're wanting this seem to want these titles served on silver platters. One part that I have found to help me retain interest in Guild Wars after completing the campaigns has been the title system, and especially the cartographer titles. If these are made just as easy as the rest of the game, what is going to keep you coming back?

I see the less than mature arguments from some saying that people who disapprove of this proposal are infantile, while asking to be spoon-fed themselves. You have to understand that in a game with 20 easily attained levels and rather linear and limited post-endgame gameplay, removing the few incentives there are to keep you playing is counter-productive and wholly unnecessary.

If you want to finish the game, nothing's holding you back. If you want to grind for things after you've finished the game, put some effort into it.

Burst Cancel · Feb 01, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

/notsigned

GMC doesn't need to be made even more trivial. Anet already gave you a lot of leeway. A lot of people already have this title, so there clearly isn't any need for it to be made easier. If you want it, you can work for it like everyone else.

The only way I would support this is if people who used this feature got a different title, like "Cheating Master Cartographer".

Pan Head · Feb 01, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

/notsigned.

not supposed to be easy

lennymon · Feb 01, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

better yet, why not just a hero command to [scout the area] you enter a zone and 5 minutes later your heroes come back and compile 100% map of the area for you.... /sarcasm
/not signed (what Dougal said)

ermns · Feb 02, 2007, 07:06 AM // 07:06

I really don't understand why you're being sarcastic and why you believe that we want this served on a silver plater?

When someone get's GMC with this way, will he not map the entire map?
will he not fight all the mobs in the continent?
will he not invest a lot of time and effort?
will he not be doing it deliberately? or do you think that it will happen by chance?

The truth is that it will be less boring and frustrating that before. I would say that we give them the title GMC. But for the ones they got it the old way, let's give them the title Grinding GMC. Satisfied?

mikkel · Feb 02, 2007, 07:16 AM // 07:16

If you had a Grandmaster Cartography title, you'd realise that the effort isn't in killing mobs. That's not what makes it an impressive title. It's in finding out where the hell those last few percentages are.

If it was as simple as just killing mobs, we'd all have Grandmaster Cartography titles. Find that boring? Apparently a good deal of the rest of feel that it's worth it. If you don't like it, you can always stop going for it. It has no extra benefits. If the only reward to it is the honour, then dumbing it down is pretty silly.

Perynne · Feb 02, 2007, 08:02 AM // 08:02

/not signed

I know there's the grind factor in exploring, where you might have missed a spot that doesn't even show up on your map. But still, exploring has enough leeway as it is, I don't like the idea of making it even easier.

It has more of a feeling of exploring this way, when you go into the unknown looking for that last evasive spot.

Emik · Feb 02, 2007, 08:05 AM // 08:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by ermns

I really don't understand why you're being sarcastic and why you believe that we want this served on a silver plater?

When someone get's GMC with this way, will he not map the entire map?
will he not fight all the mobs in the continent?
will he not invest a lot of time and effort?
will he not be doing it deliberately? or do you think that it will happen by chance?

The truth is that it will be less boring and frustrating that before. I would say that we give them the title GMC. But for the ones they got it the old way, let's give them the title Grinding GMC. Satisfied?

You have only been playing for 2 months, yet you start moaning about how time consuming something is.
I've been playing for over 19 months now and I've never ever complained about anything taking too much time and effort. Why? Because I appreciate every little aspect from the game.
If it took freekedoutfish over 16 months to get all three of his titles try to use this as an estimate and don't come in here whining about how hard it is.µ
From what I can tell you haven't even made an effort.
Guess that proves how different we are.
As for saying that I isolate a single sentence from your reply, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. I've read every little argument you wrote but still i single that one little thing out to show you what your entire post is about.
Ranting.
GMC title is NOT impossible and asking here to make it easier so you can achieve it faster proves that you can't be arsed to make the effort.
Which brings me back to my previous reply.
If you don't plan on getting the GMC title anyways, don't complain about it.

legendel · Feb 02, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

/notsigned,

however i would like them to remove the clouds from the "M" map so i can take a better screenie for comparison

Emik · Feb 02, 2007, 08:37 AM // 08:37

Use the minimap

rong626 · Feb 02, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

well..i want to get that title too for elona.sure
/signed

rong626 · Feb 02, 2007, 09:06 AM // 09:06

i changed my mind../notsigned

freekedoutfish · Feb 02, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ermns

Well I thought it could be over but let me just make a few ending remarks.
As far as difficulty is concerned.

Since exploring is soooooo much more than that, and it is difficult, why are you so against the percentiles? As you said the percentiles will not make it any easier fighting the mobs.

btw.. I have beacon's perch and that area. But the truth is that I have explored it with level 20 heroes. Full of Sup Runes. MM and 2 SF Nukers. Well to tell you the truth it was NOT difficult. Just time consuming.

The truth is that I do respect what you GMC's have done. Maybe you've explored the areas with henchies from Tyria. That I know would be difficult. But I've started playing two months ago. Few days before NF came out. I have finished all 3 campaigns and I am protector in 2 of them. I also have skill hunter, treasure hunter and wisdom on level 1. I am also MC in Elona, and Trailblazer in the other two. That's not bad if you consider that I have finished Cantha with a 2nd character and Elona with a 3rd one in these 2 months. I am not afraid of difficult.

IT IS JUST MY opinion from my personal experience. And as I told you guys, I speculate that this is not Anet's intention.

As far as your comment Emik , I believe that your problem is reading comprehension. Please read the thread and don't isolate one sentence. FIRST understand what I am saying and THEN try to make "smart" comments.

Guys, let's end this and let Anet decide what they will do. I believe that they have the input and arguments that they need.

So which continent are you having issues exploring? because both Cantha and Elona are easy, as they dont have hard sections like Tyria does.

I got 100% in Nightfall in just over a month of playing it and Cantha only took about 2 months of playing. I had experience fromd doing Tyria though.

So I can only assume it must be Tyria your having the most trouble with. And your right, I got 100% on both Tyria and cantha just before Nightfall was released, so I didnt have the benefit of full lvl20 Heroes to aid me.

Trying to get a full lvl20 team to go south from Beacons perch to explore is near impossible as alll anyone cares about is being run, and going north from the warcamp gets impossible at a point with just AI in my experience.

But you dont seem to understand that I like the difficulty of the exploration and thats WHY I dont see the need for the %s. The main reason simply being that its proven it can be done without them, so we dont need them.

GMC is a completely different title to every other title in the game.

Protector requires completing something in a set time or doing bonuses which is basically repeating the same actions over and over again until you get it right.

Teasure hunter you just run around the same high end area opening chests.

Wisdom you just need alot of gold to buy UI items to ID them.

Servivor I admit takes talent and good micro-management, but it is just basically making sure you dont die.

Faction titles just require endless playing FA.

Lightbringer and sunspear require endless farming.

GMC is the only one which requires a bit more tactic and thinking and analysis.

You have to analyse maps,
Compare images,
Retrace your steps and carefully catch every corner.
You have to fight through endless mobs to reach hard areas.
You have to go into hidden sections of missions using teleports or do missions using techiniques.

<i>I.E. teleporting into sections you couldnt otherwise reach using a corpse or teleporting over the wall in DOD and not using the ghost.</i>

There is a hell of alot more tactic to exploring maps then there are in most of the other titles. Its one of the few which requires some real effort and dedication. Do you really want to see it reduce to nothing more then counting %s on the map? It would be no more impressive them collecting luxon faction by leaching FA.

Maybe I just have some unusual love for the GMC title because I dedicated alot of time to doing it, and I love exploring. Perhaps im weird. But I truly believe its one of the more expertise titles and it should be given more respect.

Again, the simple reason we dont need this is because myself and other have proven it can be done. But that doesnt mean it takes a long time. Cantha and Elona take no time at all to explore for 100%.

And for Tyria, we have Heroes now, which make exploration 100% easier anyway, as youve shown with beacons perch. I love Heroes mind, so dont think I dont.

If you combine, heroes + % for every area, then you're making GMC an absolute walk in the park because you remove the threat from mobs and you remove the need to work hard.

I appreciate that your finding it time consuming and you perhaps dont have the time to dedicate to it. But GMC really is more for those who really want it. Its not a title for those who want something to do in their spare time, as it is frustrating.

I can see why your annoyed at trying to get it, but unless you genuinely want the title, and you'l genuinely feel fullfilled once you have it, then why bother? It this because you want to add to the KOABD count? because I dont see any other reason why your trying to achieve it.

Makkert · Feb 02, 2007, 10:20 AM // 10:20

The best ideas are the simplest ones.

/signed, good idea. (and i'm not even a cartho-hunter

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